Religious orders - sometimes "independent," sometimes not

Bishops consistently claim they aren't responsible for child sex crimes and cover ups committed by religious order clerics. "They're totally separate from us," bishops repeatedly say about the Jesuits, Salesians, Benedictines and the like.

And Vatican officials consistently claim they aren't responsible for clergy sex crimes and cover ups across the globe. (Their jurisdiction, they want us to believe, is limited to the actual, tiny, physical Vatican city/state.) 

But today, the National Catholic Reporter is disclosing that hundreds of treasurers of religious orders have been summoned to Rome by the bishop of Rome, Pope Francis, to talk about money.

Once again, church officials say they're A, until that's disadvantageous. Then, they say they're actually B. And when claiming to be B becomes disadvantageous, then they go back to claiming to be A. 

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  • Sandy Charles
    commented 2014-03-27 14:37:46 -0500
    HI Lani, and thanks for your comments. TV news and newspapers have gone a long way to educate the public of this crime, but people still have many questions. They say, “I just can’t believe this. It’s just more Catholic-bashing. How could it have happened right under the noses of family and coworkers? Why didn’t these kids tell their parents? I’m sure this only happened to a few bad boys.” My book, To Forgive the Foxes, demonstrates in bold detail the answers to all these questions and doubts.
    If there were “too much human morality and decency in existence,” then citizens of all religions, denominations, the police, teachers, doctors and nurses, social workers, civic organizations, etc., would be demanding justice. Instead, pastors and rabbis are afraid to embarrass priests, and lay citizenry is so ashamed of the very mention of pedophilia that they lower their eyes, shake their heads, and walk away. I’ve been told by editors of major publishing houses in their rejection letters to me, “We really want to help you with this, but we’ve been trying to avoid publishing on this subject…”. Nothing will change until the abuse is confronted openly and repeatedly.
    When we were young, we read stacks of books from libraries. Now, the message must be disseminated through the Internet, social media, and electronic books, because many libraries are as empty and quiet as mausoleums.
    Lani, our goals, you and I, are the same: justice, recovery, and change. It is evident that you hold enough anger to motivate you. Now, put the energy of that anger to use by getting the word out through modern means of communication, and by helping in state chapters of SNAP to litigate these crimes, so we can collectively pressure the Catholic church to STOP THE ABUSE, as you desire.
  • Lani Halter
    commented 2014-03-26 20:58:32 -0500
    You know, Sandy Charles? I am poor. I will not be buying your book, not in a round-about way to help support SNAP or educate the public. I actually believe that everyone who is “in denial” as you say, is in denial because they want to be. There is too much evidence and too much natural, human morality and decency in existence, for the majority of the world’s population to not already know that all the actions of these pedophile catholic priests and laity is happening AND IS WRONG. I believe that more than a quarter of a century is plenty long enough, sufficient time to spend educating the world. But if you truly want to continue educating the population with your book, please donate copies of it to every library in the USA that you can. I personally, am more interested in “rallying the troops”, so to speak. I want to see the day that victims, survivors that they are, join forces in sufficient number to realistically DEMAND that the pope and catholic heirarchy STOP THE ABUSE.
  • Sandy Charles
    commented 2014-03-06 21:04:48 -0600
    I agree. Let’s get the word out in every way possible. When you buy my novel, To Forgive the Foxes, a story about sexual and physical and emotional abuse in the 1960s, perpetrated by Catholic clergy, you support SNAP with each purchase. I am not trying to sell books. I am trying to educate a public in denial, and support SNAP’s mission statement. Spread the word for all victims!
  • Lani Halter
    commented 2014-03-06 20:19:35 -0600
    Please, don’t listen to their hackneyed claims, anymore. Don’t waste your time. I think perhaps it’s more important to realize and tell the world that they have managed to waste 25 years of our lives, our time, repeating these “mantras” of not being quilty or not being responsible or not having any influence on the circumstances, that we all know they are, and do have. Over TWENTY-FIVE YEARS!!! This is all “backwards” and WRONG. Please be aware that the bishops, in continuing to use such disengenous comments and statements to the public and press, have in fact been very effectively made it as if the VICTIMNS are “the criminals” and imprisoned the victims of their crimes, for OVER TWENTY-FIVE YEARS!!! I say, God, help ALL the victims, now. I believe the time has come. Please answer our prayers.
  • Lani Halter
    commented 2014-03-05 13:06:21 -0600
    Having been a member of SNAP for one year now, and having viewed, read and followed every thing that I could about this specific “scandal” in the catholic church,I have decided that my personal current course of action now, is to encourage and “call for” the leaders of SNAP and those attorneys willingly affliated with SNAP, to please write legal petitions for members to sign and for them to get signed, that call for the abolishment of all SOL laws applied to and regarding crimes committed by pedophiles against children and disabled adults; including but not limited to crimes committed by catholic pedophile priests, heirarchy and laity in the United States and its territories. Please let us do a “grass roots campaign”, via the internet if necessary, as our current president did to get elected, to achieve this very obviously important and necessary change to both our criminal and civil laws. The scourge must be STOPPED!
  • Sandy Charles
    commented 2014-03-04 15:28:52 -0600
    I grew up in rural MN where we were abused by nuns in school in the ’60s, and one of our local priests is named on the MN SNAP list of perpetrators. My purpose in writing a book about it was 3-fold: to teach an incredulous public how such a crime could have become so prevalent, to show that it is not only altarboys that are abused but girls too, and to share my healing in adulthood that is possible for others, as well. To Forgive the Foxes, my novel based on fact, is available from, CreateSpace, and on Kindle and Kindle apps. From a sincere place of caring and fellowship with those on a common journey, I will donate to SNAP the profit from my books that are purchased by SNAP members.
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