For at least eight years, victims of child molesting nuns and members of SNAP have repeatedly urged America's largest organization of nuns to expose the truth about child sex crimes and cover ups by women religious. But the LCWR (Leadership Conference of Women Religious) continues to essentially rebuff us and them.
Now more than ever, since they're being attacked by bishops like we have been (and are being), nuns should be sympathetic to our plight. It grieves us to have to keep prodding them to take long-overdue, simple steps to protect the vulnerable and heal the wounded. But how can we do otherwise?
Contact: Mary Dispenza, Seattle SNAP Director and SNAP Board Member
Phone: 425 644 2468
Email: mcdispenza@comcast.net
- 2002 - LCWR refuses to participate in USCCB’s “Policy for the Protection of Children”
- April 5, 2002 - LCWR issues statement on clerical abuse
- August 24, 2002 - LCWR National Board issues statement on sexual abuse
- June 12, 2004 - Nun survivors meet for the first time in Denver at SNAP Conference
- July 13, 2004 - Hand-delivered to LCWR and USCCB from nun survivors regarding Plan of Hope, Respect, and Open Healing. Also requested nun survivors be allowed to speak at LCWR-CMSM Joint Assembly in Ft. Worth. To date, we received no answer from USCCB.
- August 5, 2004 - Letter to LCWR from SNAP expressing dismay over their decision not to let us speak
- August 9, 2004 - E-mail to National Review Board to intervene on our behalf
- August 13, 2004 - LCWR Press Release: Response of LCWR President Sister Constance Phelps, SCL saying we can’t speak in Ft. Worth
- August 19 to 22, 2004 - Joint LCWR – CMSM Assembly in Ft. Worth, TX. Nun survivors attempt to attend event but are refused.
- October 3, 2004 - Meeting with LCWR Leadership in Chicago
- November 22, 2004 - LCWR letter to SNAP refusing to work with SNAP members who are survivors of sexual abuse committed by nuns and sisters
- August 2, 2005 - Not allowed to speak at LCWR National Conference in Aneheim, CA; we are present – we delivered letter
- August 17, 2006 - Not allowed to speak at LCWR National Conference in Atlanta, GA; we are present – we delivered letter
- August 24, 2007 - LCWR contacts us to meet to talk but LCWR does not provide an agenda after numerous requests; Not allowed to speak at LCWR National Conference in Kansas City
- September 19, 2007 - LCWR responds to SNAP, denying all five requests
- August, 2008 - LCWR rebuffs us via letter; SNAP holds night-time vigil
- October 9, 2008 - SNAP meets with Council of Major Superiors of Women Religious in St. Louis; requests are denied
- February 23, 2009 - SNAP asks to speak at the LCWR conference in New Orleans
- March 26, 2009 - LCWR denies all of SNAP's requests
- August 11, 2009 - Not allowed to speak at LCWR Conference in New Orleans; we deliver letter
- August 14, 2010 - Not allowed to speak at LCWR Conference in Dallas; we are present
- August 16, 2011 - LCWR National Conference in Garden Grove, California
- August 7, 2012 - LCWR National Conference in St Louis; SNAP members deliver letter and hold vigil
Letter sent to bishops:
Aug. 8, 2012
Dear Archbishop Sartain Bishop Blair, Bishop Paprocki
We write you with great sadness and reluctance. Each of you, like most of your colleagues, has done a poor job of dealing with child sex abuse and cover up. Still, each of you have a chance to prod US nuns to do a better job in this regard. For the sake of prevention, healing, openness and justice, we hope you seize this opportunity.
We have little faith in "internal" church "investigations" and reports on clergy sex crimes and cover ups. We have even less faith when they're conducted by bishops or “outside” firms hand-picked and hired by bishops.
Still, something is often better than nothing. That’s the case today with abuse and cover up by nuns. Right now, there's very little known about child sex crimes and cover ups by nuns. No one's apparently trying to learn more. And as best we can tell, no one inside or outside of the nuns’ community is trying to prod them to do a better job of protecting the vulnerable and healing the wounded.
So with considerable reluctance and distrust, we're asking you to expand your “oversight” of the LCWR into what the organization – and America’s religious orders of women- are doing and are not doing regarding child sex crimes and cover ups by nuns.
Why does this matter? Because we believe that
--many abusive nuns have never been exposed or disciplined.
--many who have seen, suspected or hidden their crimes have similarly never been exposed or disciplined
--many who were abused by nuns have coped by essentially denying and mischaracterized the crimes they suffered, and minimizing the impact of those crimes, so they suffer in confusion, denial, isolation, shame and self-blame.
We suspect that fewer nuns molest than priests. (Research suggests that more men are sexual predators.) At the same time, however, that’s just speculation. And regardless of the rates or percentages of abuse, two other facts are important. First, there are more nuns than priests. (55,944 nuns in the US versus 41,406 priests) Second, many more nuns had more access to more kids, largely because they worked and work in schools.
Ultimately, however, the numbers or percentages are not especially relevant. If there are 400 or 4,000 or 40,000 adults who were victimized by nuns in this country, every single one of them deserves help. And if there are 4 or 40 or 400 children who may be victimized in the future by nuns in this country, they need protection.
Again, we take this step with great sadness and reluctance. Everyone knows most nuns don’t commit or conceal child sex crimes. Everyone knows that most nuns do wonderful, selfless work, often to help society’s marginalized.
But we see little or no evidence that nuns – either in or through the LCWR or their individual orders – are in any way, shape or form “trailblazers” in making the church or our society safer from clergy child predators or making substantial contributions to the healing of those who suffer because of clergy child predators.
It’s a painful truth to acknowledge. It’s unusual and unsettling for us to seek your help in dealing with it. But our concern – for the vulnerable and the wounded – and our inability to get the LCWR to be more pro-active, leave us with few other options.
Barbara Dorris, SNAP, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, 314 503 0003, bdorris@snapnetwork.org
Steve Theisen, Iowa SNAP Director 319-231-1663, ltreggiefan@cs.com
David Clohessy, Director, SNAP, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, (7234 Arsenal Street, St. Louis MO 63143), 314 566 9790 cell (DavidGClohessy@gmail.com)
Click HERE to download a .zip archive of correspondence between SNAP and the LCWR, SNAP and LCWR press releases, and other coverage of the groups (4.76 mb)
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Quote — Lesbian ephebophile religious women abuse children. Studies are studies. Experience is experience. 14% of all nuns were themselves sexually abused. 33% of those abused repeat the abuse—in the convent or out, among youth in their care or young novices. Those are the facts learned by those abused by these women. Unquote
As I said in my earlier comments, Nuns/Sisters do sexually abuse children – there is no question about that.
Disagreement, however, is based in the idea that it is lesbian women who are the abusers.
It would be helpful if you would supply links to any studies which suggest otherwise.
I think the most helpful example is the Coach Jerry Sandusky case at Penn State where because the victims of the sexual abuse were males many presumed that Sandusky was a homosexual rather than an ephebophile —
Quote — The Penn State Scandal Isn’t About Homosexuality
This guy managed to turn an accused pedophile into the symbol of gay parents everywhere, even though the American Psychiatric Association makes a clear distinction between homosexuality and pedophilia. In fact, the National Institute of Mental Health says that heterosexual men are actually more likely to perpetuate sexual abuse on children than gays. And more and more agencies are recognizing that not only do gays and lesbians make good parents, but that allowing them to adopt could help thousands of kids across the country who need homes. Unquote
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/g-philly/2011/11/15/penn-state-scandal-homosexuality/#tf7Z6Qeg3uQpJ2fb.99
When we are discussing youth at ages from 15 to 19 — we are also aware of other guidelines which can complicate our view of what is actually happening as there is concern about twenty year old+ adult male relationships with young girls who are just reaching the “age of consent.” Many of these relations can easily be seen as unhealthy for the young girl involved. Also, generally across the US you can be married at age 18.
In research environments, specific terms are used for chronophilias: for instance, ephebophilia to refer to the sexual preference for mid-to-late adolescents,12 hebephilia to refer to the sexual preference for earlier pubescent individuals, and pedophilia to refer to the sexual preference for prepubescent children.23 However, the term pedophilia is commonly used by the general public to refer to any sexual interest in minors below the legal age of consent, regardless of their level of physical or mental development.4
. . .
Ephebophilia is used only to describe the preference for mid-to-late adolescent sexual partners, not the mere presence of some level of sexual attraction. Generally, the preference is not regarded by psychologists as a pathology when it does not interfere with other major areas of one’s life, and is not listed by name as a mental disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th Edition (DSM-5), the ICD-10, or as a paraphilia. However, the preference can sometimes be diagnosed as a disorder if it results in dysfunction or exploitative behavior, under the DSM specification 309.2, “Paraphilia Not Otherwise Specified”.12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia
Sexual abuse is based in assault on the victims who are vulnerable due to age or being overpowered by an adult — or the force of authority which we see with religious figures.
And it is also true that often those who are sexually abused will sexually abuse others.
Many do not.
Quote — Ephebophiles are either heterosexual or homosexual or lesbian. Different dynamics than pedophelia. Requires different approaches to the predators. Unquote
As I said, my concerns are that society can protect our children — and that requires a clearer understanding of these conditions.
Pedophiles are attracted to children younger than 11 years of age
Hebephiles to children 11 to 14 years of age
Ephebophiles to children 15 to 19 years of age
There are also cases I’m sure many are familiar with where infants are sexually abused.
From my readings of studies, it seems clear that homosexuality isn’t a factor in sexual abuse of children.
That they are MALE is acknowledged even by right wing women’s groups.
That does not mean that females have not abused children, but it seems to be females who are influenced or under the control of males.
That would certainly qualify nuns who have committed their lives to subservience to a male-supremacist church.
We are discussing organized patriarchal religion which underpins patriarchy and that pre-conditions thinking by those attached to the church
in lifelong commitment to that concept.
By the way
-and honored for their work in caring for orphaned children.Long before the “white” man arrived In Hawaii, homosexuals were esteemed in their communities -
and that they are heterosexual males. Heterosexual males are 100X less likely than Homosexual males to sexually abuse children.
I’ve noticed that the SPOTLIGHT movie and also articles written on sexual abuse rarely mention these studies.
I’ve read some of the legal concerns of SNAP in regard to demands for personal information on victims which Is quite threatening, not only
to those abused by priests but to any victim who needs the protection of privacy.
I’m a “recovering Catholic” myself — from an Irish Catholic family in NYC. I was never sexually abused but the experience from first to 8th grades
was frightening for the most part as there was very authoritarian rule by nuns — and after that time I was able to just ignore the church, except for
the brainwashing which remains. Children really don’t discuss these experiences — they really don’t have the world view — or even the language
to begin to discuss what is happening to them. And, if on top of all of that you are sexually abused by a priest (or nun) it would be shattering.
Again — the reason I visited this site was because of what seems to be the continuing suggestion by the RCC that it is homosexual priests who
have sexually abused children. If families are to be able to protect their children properly from any and all sexual abusers they need to be made aware that of the information from studies on pedophiles.
The history of sexual abuse of children in the church is confirmed by Italians who say it was happening from the very first days of the church.
Betty Friedan, the feminist made some comments about Freud which I thought were very interesting
-male friends of the family. And that Freud betrayed his young patients by suggesting in the “Oedipus Complex” that it was the child who was the sexual aggressor versus the parent and other adults. Of course, this is a ridiculous concept that has never really been challenged or attacked.She related that Freud’s patients were relating stories of sexual abuse by male members of their family – fathers, uncles, male cousins -
I’m sure there were, nonetheless, many instances of Nuns sexually abusing children in their care. They had the greatest access to these children
and control over them. There are many stories yet to be told.
The right wing coup on Pope John XXIII’s Vatican II has pretty much brought the RCC to collapse.
Vatican II sought to make the church a democracy by acknowledging that members had the right to free thought and personal conscience in
all issues — including contraception. It destroyed the concept of Papal “infallibility.”
Most of all it sought to give the church a compassionate and humane face.
That was 50 years ago. And the death of Pope John XXIII was followed by the suspicious deaths of two succeeding Popes.
I trust that Pope Francis is a sign that liberal control of the church has been regained and that this is an effort to save the church from itself.
Organized patriarchal religion underpins patriarchy.
Here is some information on the studies of pedophiles —
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-and that they are heterosexual males. Heterosexual males are 100X more likely to sexually abuse a child than a homosexual male. A 1998 Study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of pedophiles are men, and 95% of these individuals are heterosexual. Research has indicated that gay men and lesbians are less likely than heterosexual to sexually abuse children. Perhaps the most egregious and damaging claim promulgated by anti-gay groups is the claim that homosexuality is intrinsically linked to pedophilia and child sexual abuse. The social science research on sexual orientation and child sexual abuse clearly disproves the claim that homosexuals are more likely to molest children. A 1998 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of pedophiles are men, and 95% of these individuals are heterosexual. One researcher explained this statistic by noting, "Gay men desire consensual sexual relations with other adult men. Pedophiles are usually adult men who are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. They are rarely sexually attracted to other adults. In fact, research has indicated that gay men and lesbians are LESS likely than heterosexuals to sexually abuse children. Two studies that examined the sexual orientation of convicted child molesters found that less than 1% in one study and 0% in the other were lesbian or gay. One psychologist reviewed the existing social science literature on the relationship between sexuality and child sexual abuse and found that “a gay man is no more likely than a straight man to perpetrate sexual activity with children.” Further, “cases of perpetration of sexual behavior with a pre-pubescent child by an adult lesbian are virtually nonexistent.” See: Focus on the Facts" — Sean Cahill, PH.D, 2004 Also : The right-wing “Family Research Council” notes/confirms findings that “almost all child sexual abuse is committed by men.”In order to protect young children from pedophiles and those who are attracted to
11 to 14 year olds, the public has to understand that our sexual abusers of children
are MALES -
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Back to the films—the Magdalenes-was my first reality that “oh My God, others experienced the same illogical mental sick upbringing I did” “How could I be loved by God when I was not fit to be a grain of sand under His sandals.” I wanted to contact the Director of the film at the time and ask him how he learned so much-could he do more?
Now comes a Judith Dench film-Philomena. I was spellbound—how brainwashed she was to forgive and forget, not their fault-my anger was on the same level or higher than the author’s anger-Martin Sixsmith. So now once again I am wondering-would he write another book? Stories wouldn’t be the same-but many many New England children were sent to boarding school at a cost of $40 a month, after the depression and during WWII maybe for reasons like parent death, parent illness, parents working, too many children in house, behavior problem or my case (mistress problems in a stated highly regarded Catholic Diocesan business corporation). Worst part of all, I was a tall blond IRISH girl in a french convent and I experienced 17 years of novitiate policy, water filled soup, gruel, near starvation during Lent, while the nuns table was on a stage above us with their special meals because they had spacial needs! And when they were finished we were automatically finished and had to leave the dinnig area even if we hadn’t been served yet-that happened a lot. I was having the devil driven out of me because I was a daughter born out of wedlock and not allowed to be like my Protestant Mother. So my story is different, but the horror, the upbringing, the abuse, the sexual abuse by many, the resulting story is the same as many more out there.
I am too old to remember every name but all of you who witnessed, suffered, endured fruitless years of counseling to get over your childhood, you could do so much for those suffering now. Get your story out, find someone like Martin Sixsmith who might be your legs to investigate hours and hours of research and explode the story to the world. They were not all saints, it was not the sign of the times (as so many like to describe it)-in industrial New England, boarding schools went along with the religious code of the factory worker. I survived, I am a survivor mostly from sheer anger that kept me going and that is not good, not good for my family nor those around me. Best to get the stories out, all the stories. There was too much hiding going on-in all areas of the Catholic Church.
Thank you for what you have accomplished so far. Continue with knowledge that you have already helped millions-just please keep going. Maybe some authors will come forward and help get our stories out. Thank you Martin Sixsmith for writing Philomena, thank you Philomena for sharing. God Bless You. I don’t believe He ever meant for us to suffer in His name but we need to GET THOSE STORIES OUT. And Pope Francis needs to continue his good work by acknowledging our years of suffering.
SSPX is a growing danger because they have six seminaries, three universities and 70 primary and secondary schools around the globe. In addition to Williamson it has three other bishops, more than 550 priests and 200 priests in training. Are they training to incite another Holocaust? Pope Francis doesn’t talk about the real issues — these skeletons in the vatican closet.
This never stops being beyond shocking…