MO- Stunning admissions by St. L archbishop in new deposition

MO- Stunning admissions by St. L archbishop in new deposition

For immediate release: Monday, June 9 2014

Statement by Barbara Dorris of St. Louis, Outreach Director of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (314-503-0003,

Three disturbing facts jump out from St. Louis Archbishop Robert Carlson's deposition – taken last month but released today - in a clergy sex abuse and cover up case.

1) Carlson admits that he never called the police about known or suspected clergy sex crimes at any point in his 24 years as a priest, bishop and other top church official in Minnesota.

2) Carlson testified under oath that he wasn't sure whether he knew it was illegal for priests to have sex with children when he served as chancellor of the Twin Cities archdiocese in the 1980s.

3) And another Catholic bishop testified under oath – in a different deposition – that Carlson advised him to claim memory loss if he were deposed in clergy sex abuse cases.

In a 1986 deposition, then-Winona Bishop Loras Watters said that Carlson told him "the best thing you can say (in depositions) is, 'I don't remember.'"

This is why Catholic officials fight so hard against victims in court and do all they can to prevent themselves from being deposed – because embarrassing truths surface through the justice process, truths that show many bishops are deeply complicit in horrific child sex crimes.

According to, there are now 53 publicly accused child molesting Twin Cities clerics. And Carlson was in that archdiocese for almost 25 years. But not once did he call the police, he admits. Shame on him.

Finally, in a deceitful and self-pitying claim, Carlson blames therapists for decisions he made and other bishops made to quietly keep pedophile priests in parishes, saying “in many ways, we (bishops) were the victims of those we sent people to for treatment.”  

The deposition shows that Carlson acted recklessly, callously and deceitfully in the Twin Cities. What's worse, though, is that he's now being just as irresponsible in St. Louis.

Look at what Carlson is saying and doing about Fr. Joseph Jiang, who has been arrested twice in the last two years for molesting a boy and a girl.

What he's SAYING about Jiang is deceptive, self-serving and cruel. 

Carlson knows how to respond when allegations of clergy sex crimes surface. But when his close pal Fr. Jiang was arrested in April on child sex charges, Carlson chose to publicly cast doubt on and violate the privacy of the second alleged victim's family. Shame on him and on every person on his staff who played a role in this callous, self-serving statement.

He issued a statement claiming that the second victim's family supposedly didn't mention child sex abuse until this week.

Everyone knows that the overwhelming majority of child sex abuse victims can't understand and disclose their trauma until decades later. So delays in reporting child sex crimes are not unusual or relevant at all. 

But by mentioning the alleged delay, Carlson deliberately cast doubt on the young victim and his family.

(What's ironic here is that in many cases, Carlson and other Catholic officials question and criticize victims who step forward decades after their abuse. Now, a victim reports promptly, while he is still a child, and Carlson attacks him too for his timing. When exactly does Carlson feel it's appropriate for those who are raped, sodomized or fondled by priests to speak up?)

Carlson publicly violated the privacy of this courageous family when, in the same statement, he claimed this family raised concerns about bullying in their parochial school.

Because parishes and parochial schools are usually “tightly-knit,” by publicly disclosing that the alleged bullying, Carlson is basically “outing” the victim's identity to perhaps dozens and dozens of people with whom the victim and his family goes to church and school.

Neither of Carlson' s claims – even if they are true – have any bearing whatsoever on whether these new criminal charges are valid. And Carlson knows that by making both of these claims public, he may well be able to scare or discourage others with information about predator priests from stepping forward.

To protect his reputation and his friend Fr. Jiang, Carlson continues to deliberately play mean-spirited legal and public relations hardball by impugning the honesty and motives of the second alleged victim's family. Again, he should be ashamed of himself.

What Carlson has been DOING about the Fr. Jiang case is also deceptive, self-serving and cruel. 

Carlson is letting Fr. Jiang live among unsuspecting neighbors just six minutes away from the parish where he molested two children. 

Carlson's being deceptive by dodging a key question: Did Fr. Jiang admit to Carlson that he molested the girl? That's what the girl's parents say in their civil lawsuit.

It's a very simple question with a simple answer: yes or no. But Carlson, despite his repeated pledges to be honest and open in clergy sex cases, refuses to answer.

He's also being deceptive by refusing to admit that, in the girl's case, police and prosecutors have said they have phone messages, text messages, a $20,000 check from Fr. Jiang to the girl's parents. By refusing to mention this, Carlson helps Fr. Jiang claim to be innocent. That, in turn, enables Fr. Jiang to be around more children.

Carlson's being self-serving by refusing to disclose

–where Fr. Jiang has lived for the last two years,

–why he kept Fr. Jiang's whereabouts secret,

–why Fr. Jiang moves from city to city with Carlson,

–why Fr. Jiang had living/sleeping quarters in both his parish rectory and archbishop's home,

--whether or not, as the civil lawsuit against Carlson asserts, Fr. Jiang admitted to Carlson --whether church officials paid Fr. Jiang's bail the second time (as they did the first time) 

And Carlson's being cruel by letting a twice-accused predator priest live near unsuspected families with little or no supervision minutes away from Cathedral parish. It's cruel to the families of his victims, and rubs salt into their already-deep and still-fresh wounds. And it's cruel to other Cathedral parents who must worry about whether Fr. Jiang is still hanging around the church or the school or other families who believe he's innocent.

Until now, no one in St. Louis knew that child molesting clerics live at the Dominican center at 3047 Lafayette. (There is at least one other predator priest here: Fr. Vincent Bryce who admitted molesting a boy.) 

Carlson's deception and his reckless decision to let Fr. Jiang live on Lafayette may have enabled the priest to molest a boy a second time. 

Fr. Jiang was suspended in June 2012 for allegedly molesting a girl between 2011 and 2012. 

Fr. Jiang, according to city prosecutors, molested a boy at the Cathedral as late as August 2012.

So it's possible that Fr. Jiang molested the boy in August 2012, AFTER his June 2012 suspension for molesting the girl. If so, Archbishop Carlson could have prevented at least some of the second victim’s abuse. Carlson’s woeful disregard for the safety of children is appalling. 

And even if somehow this timeline is wrong, it's clear that having a credibly accused predator priest secretly living with other priests just five or six minutes away from the parish where he allegedly molested two kids is dangerous. Fr. Jiang's presence nearby could intimidate witnesses, whistleblowers and victims. It could enable him to potentially destroy evidence, threaten witnesses, and discredit whistleblowers. And it could easily enable him to visit other Cathedral parishioners with kids.

As we've said repeatedly for the past two years, Fr. Jiang should be put in a remote and secure treatment facility far from St. Louis. (That way, even if he's unsupervised again, he would have to start all over winning the trust of parents to gain access to their kids.) 

Finally, our hearts go out to anyone who has been sexually violated in any way at any age by clerics in Minnesota, Michigan, South Dakota and here – each place where Carlson worked. Our hearts especially go out to these two brave families whose kids were hurt by Fr. Jiang who are doing their civic and moral duties.

And our hearts go out to the neighbors of this Dominican center on Lafayette and other neighbors who have proven, admitted or credibly accused child molesting clerics secretly living nearby. 

Let’s hope that every person who saw, suspected or suffered clergy sex crimes and cover ups in St. Louis – by Fr. Jiang or others - will find the courage and strength to speak up, call police, expose wrongdoing, protect kids and start healing.

It's reckless to assume that Fr. Jiang will be convicted and imprisoned. He got off last time on a technicality and he'll certainly try that again. Predator priests almost always get top-notch lawyers (often paid by the archdiocese). 

And it's reckless to assume that Catholic officials will now really keep Fr. Jiang away from kids. (Fr. Alex Anderson has been accused by three different people of molesting them as kids yet he remains in a parish today.)

So it's crucial that those who could help police and prosecutors effectively pursue this case do their moral and civic duty and step forward now.

(SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, is the world’s oldest and largest support group for clergy abuse victims. We’ve been around for 25 years and have more than 15,000 members. Despite the word “priest” in our title, we have members who were molested by religious figures of all denominations, including nuns, rabbis, bishops, and Protestant ministers. Our website is

Contact - David Clohessy (314-566-9790 cell,, Barbara Dorris (314-503-0003,



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